will do more than anything else to shrink the deficit and long-term tax reform, long-term entitlement reform. that's the right way to do it. but to cut now because we want to reform entitlements later doesn't make any sense. >> let me ask about that. you talk about tax reform. that's something the left wants and something the right wants. the problem is with tax reform, what it entails. here's the president today talking about tax reform, closing loopholes. >> there is no reason that the jobs of thousands of americans who work in national security or education or clean energy, not to mention the growth of the entire economy, should be put in jeopardy just because folks in washington couldn't come together to eliminate a few special interest tax loopholes or government programs that we agree need some reform. >> they're not little and they're not few and they're not easy. of the five of the top ten tax expenditures, these are loopholes. mortgage interest deduction, the deduction we get for health care, the child tax credit, deduction for state and local taxes, charity. okay. the presid

deficit disorder. psychologically, how is this going to affect the little boy over the longterm? >> i think any ability in any trauma that happens to a child, whether they have a psychiatric or mental health problemo ornot is going to fall heavily on them. the biggest message we can send to this child by his mother and father is he is safe and he is protected because he didn't feel safe and he wasn't protected and he ended up in this situation. that's the biggest impact on a child, especially after something is resolved. luckily, this is successfully resolved. >> and of course, we don't know at this point what happened? we don't know whether there was sexual abuse or physical abuse or what happened in the bunker. >> right, and the tendency is going to be to swarm around him to get information, both to help him and to understand what went down down under that ground, but the bottom line is right now, these next few days are critical for this boy to bond with his family, to feel safe and feel protected. >> so tom, i wanted to ask you a question when you were talking about the negotiator

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